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The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« on: April 15, 2012, 05:31:18 pm »
In MarkeyH's thread the discussion meandered into what we would do as far as getting a QB dependent of course on how other QB seeking teams ahead of us draft. Here is an article I found while searching for info on Brandon Weeden:

http://www.cleveland.com/budshaw/index.ssf/2012/04/how_about_the_cleveland_browns.html

How about the Cleveland Browns finding weapons for QB Brandon Weeden?

By Bud Shaw, The Plain Dealer

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Oklahoma State quarterback Brandon Weeden is one of the most intriguing prospects in the NFL draft, especially for a team that admitted to a love affair with Robert Griffin III and then quickly announced its intention to renew vows with Colt McCoy.

Using the draft as the main source of supporting your quarterback is sound strategy, providing you believe you have the right quarterback. As Plan A, it's foolproof. As Plan B, meh. Just OK. Less than that if it prevents the Browns from drafting a quarterback who projects as a significant upgrade.

Those who keep making the argument that McCoy didn't have weapons around him last year should realize it's not much of an argument. Of course, he didn't.

And? What's the second part of that sentence?

Lacking a support system doesn't mean he'd be a franchise quarterback with one. Improved? You'd certainly hope so. But it's not as if -- "presto" -- he goes from Eric Zeier to Drew Brees. If it were that simple, a lot more teams would be targeting undersized, third-rounders as the answer.

Every quarterback coming into the NFL is evaluated and projected based on his skills, not on his support system in college. In McCoy, the personnel people saw a tough-skinned winner but nowhere near a first-round talent. He's shown his toughness, hasn't won for some reasons out of his control, but overall has played like a third or fourth rounder.

If the Browns saw franchise quarterback tools with McCoy, they could take playmakers at No. 4 and No. 22, then bolster the right tackle spot at No. 37, and not think twice about it. But if Weeden is there at No. 22, or certainly at No. 37, he can't be easily ignored despite being 28.


(This is the interactive portion of today's column where you get to say the Browns should wait until next year to grab USC's Matt Barkley -- as if that would be any easier than acquiring RGIII; and where I remind you that if they're bad enough through November to project at the top of the draft again next year, we should all hope the Mayans are right. If only so we can rebuild this mess from the ground up starting with single-cell organisms. What's another 10 million years or so when you've been waiting since 1964?)

Weeden is tall, accurate, strong-armed. He's not mobile or -- you may have heard -- abundantly youthful. His looks and birth certificate qualify him not as the boy next door, but as the grown man next door. His years as a pitcher in the minor leagues significantly delayed his NFL career. He'll be 29 in October, which is a legitimate concern, but not a deal-breaker.

Every team wants first-rounders to give them five to 10 years of excellence, depending on position. Understandable. Matt Kalil could give the Browns 10 years at tackle, too, but that's not enough of a factor to make him the center piece of the draft, or -- in my estimation -- make right tackle a priority at No. 22 either.

If the Browns get five or six great years out of Trent Richardson at No. 4, find a receiver with home run ability and end up with Brandon Weeden as their starting quarterback from age 29-35, anybody going to argue that they blew the 2012 draft because it didn't have enough staying power?

For whatever it's worth, Oklahoma State with Weeden at quarterback beat Baylor with Griffin III, Stanford with Andrew Luck and Ryan Tannehill's Texas A&M Aggies. Weeden threw eight touchdown passes and one interception in those matchups.

The more pertitent fact: Luck and RGIII are gone. Tannehill is overpriced. Weeden's age, if anything, deflates his value and that could work in the Browns' favor. They're in a great position with the number of picks they have and the amount of quarterback expertise they have on staff to be bold in this draft and find a better answer than they currently employ.

In a recent conference call, ESPN's Jon Gruden said he looked at the top 20 throws of the top quarterbacks in the draft.

"You walk away and you say Brandon Weeden makes the most difficult throws in college football," Gruden told reporters. "He has a tremendous arm and great anticipation ... it's a pleasure to watch him throw the football."

With McCoy, the Browns mostly respect his toughness and work ethic. But at some point, the conversation at quarterback needs to turn to tangibles.
Keep up the good work Matt Moore!

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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2012, 05:35:08 pm »
So the Browns might pick Blackmon at the 3 spot and then maybe Weeden at the #22 spot
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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2012, 08:01:00 pm »
After losing BM Brandon Marshall we might be more in need of a deluxe model WR. We might actually be more in need of a WR than a QB. The bottom line is that despite being a losing franchise for most of the last decade and having the wisdom of Billy Parcells in our corner we still have a lot of major holes to be filled. Does anyone think we could or should wait until round 3 or later before drafting a QB?
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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2012, 03:23:33 pm »
Is tight end a luxury or a necessity for the Miami Dolphins?

by: Omar Kelly April 16th, 2012 | 12:03 PM

Despite what most some people think – or believe – the Miami Dolphins like the team’s tight end situation. And it is more than their words which back them up.

Can Dolphins tight end Charles Clay double his production in 2012?

The Dolphins had the opportunity to address the tight end position in free agency, and still do considering productive-but-aged seam threats like Dallas Clark and Jeremy Shockey are still available.

Both players have ties to either South Florida (Shockey lives here) or this coaching staff (Clark was coached by Joe Philbin at Iowa), but it appears this new coaching staff would prefer to invest in the young tight ends they presently have on the roster.

And if you really examine the depth chart - which recently got former basketball player Les Brown added to it – you’re realize there are decent in-house options that warrant a larger investment.

Anthony Fasano, who turns 28 on Friday, has quietly put together three straight productive seasons, serving as a rare triple threat tight end that can pass and run block, and becomes a red zone weapon catching passes.

Last season Fasano, who caught 32 passes for 451 yards and scored five touchdowns, was rated the 8th most productive tight end in the NFL by ProFootballFocus.com, which tracks every task done on every play. His run blocking and pass blocking was amongst the best in the league. And Fasano, who spent about one-fourth his snaps babysitting right tackle Marc Colombo, only dropped one pass last season.

Then there’s Charles Clay and Will Yeatman, who are both entering their second season.

Clay, a sixth-round pick in 2011, played more fullback than tight end last season. But he caught 16 passes for 233 yards and scored three touchdowns last season.

Last year Clay played 310 snaps at tight end. His 14.6 yards per reception average is fourth highest among tight ends with 10 or more catches in 2011.

The Dolphins’ brass believes that when Clay’s snap count doubles (with experience, and more understanding of the position) his production should double. Therefore, the Dolphins expect he’ll catch around 30-40 passes for 450-550 yards and score about six touchdowns.

Put that with Fasano’s usual production and we could be looking at the type of record-setting season Fasano and David Martin produced in 2008.

There is no reason to think Clay, who served as a fullback at Tulsa, won’t blossom as a tight end when he has a full offseason to learn the position. Last season he admitted that learning the new role, especially the in-line blocking required, was a challenge because of the lockout shortened offseason.

Then there’s Yeatman, who the Dolphins claimed off New England’s waiver wire and kept on the 53-man roster all season. This former Maryland lacrosse standout is a physical freak of nature.

He has a HUGE, sculpted frame, long arms, and massive 11 ¾ inch hands. The Dolphins liked his upside so much they kept him on the 53-man roster all season, even when he was battling a serious back issue.

While Yeatman has limited receiving experience, his sheer size and blocking prowess warrants a continued investment, which is something the coaches are ready to provide.

There’s also Jeron Mastrud, but he’s fallen short of making an impact the past two seasons, and Brown, who is more realistic as a practice squad option.

The Dolphins have typically carried three or four tight ends on the 53-man roster, but last season the Packers carried five, which is telling.

As pleased as Miami might say they are at the tight end position, the positive reviews doesn’t mean the Dolphins will pass up on a player like Stanford’s Coby Fleener (who has a first-round projection), Clemson’s Dwayne Allen (second-round projection), or Georgia’s Orson Charles (third-round projection) if their value falls significantly in the draft.

Fasano’s deal, which pays him $3.6 million this season and has a cap value of $4.375,000, expires at the end of the season. It would be wise to be forward thinking.

That’s why if one of those three elite tight ends falls and are the top rated player on Miami’s draft board when the Dolphins are on the clock in day two or three there MIGHT be some consideration put to taking a tight end.

But such a pick should be viewed more as a luxury than necessity.
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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2012, 03:27:02 pm »
"Despite what most some people think – or believe"

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! That's typical Omar Kelly for you! And they are CHARGING for this!?

How did he make it through college and or get a college degree in journalism with that kind of grammar?

Oh, he went to Florida A & M, a mostly black school. <titter>

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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 05:56:58 pm »
2012 NFL Draft: Ten Wide Receivers the Miami Dolphins Could Target in Later Rounds

http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/4/17/2953442/2012-nfl-draft-miami-dolphins-late-round-wide-receivers

2012 NFL Draft: Ten Wide Receivers the Miami Dolphins Could Target in Later Rounds

http://www.thephinsider.com/2012/4/17/2953442/2012-nfl-draft-miami-dolphins-late-round-wide-receivers

For a number of years, the Miami Dolphins searched for a true number one or ‘alpha’ wide receiver. They drafted several players, but few panned out. They traded for Brandon Marshall in the spring of 2010, and it looked like the search was finally over. Marshall produced 167 receptions and 2228 yards in his two seasons in Miami, but only managed to get 9 total touchdowns in that time. After two seasons with the Dolphins, Marshall was traded to Chicago and Miami’s #1 target search was back on.

I am probably one of the few fans that think the Dolphins have some good talent at the wide receiver. Davone Bess and Brian Hartline are good at what they do and should excel in a West Coast Offense. Edmond Gates is a developing receiver with excellent speed to stretch the field. He could become a bigger factor this season. The Dolphins also have some receivers with potential in Marlon Moore, Roberto Wallace, and Julius Pruitt. However, unless one of those players has a breakout season, then Miami still doesn’t have a true #1 target.

Head coach Joe Philbin has stated that his offense will not follow the #1, #2, #3 receiver pattern and plans to spread the wealth around. While that may be the case, it appears the team is still intent on acquiring a top target in the 2012 draft. Most fans are familiar with the big name guys like Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, and Kendall Wright. You can be sure the Dolphins have high interest in those players. But it isn’t likely that the Dolphins will draft any of them. Blackmon ‘should’ get drafted before the Dolphins pick at 8. Floyd and Wright will probably get selected later in the first round and wouldn’t necessarily be the best choice for the Dolphins unless they traded down. So unless things fall just right, the Dolphins will draft a receiver after the first round. The good news is that this draft appears to be very deep at the receiver position and you can get very good talent later in later rounds. It is almost a certainty that the Dolphins will draft two wide receivers this year. Word ‘round the campfire was that the team was looking to add a receiver BEFORE Marshall was traded. You can bet that they will look to add two now. The following receivers are players I think the Dolphins could and should target in the draft, if they don’t use one of their first two picks on a receiver.\

If you follow the above link there is youtube on every one of these guys.

Greg Childs, Arkansas 6’3" 219 pounds. Childs has slowly become one of my favorite players in this draft. He has the prototypical size for a #1 receiver at 6’3" 219 pounds. He has excellent speed for a receiver of that size. He ran 4.52 at the combine; 4.41 and 4.39 at his pro day. He is a good route runner with good hands. He has the athleticism and toughness to make any catch in the NFL. He produced a 41 inch vertical at his pro day revealing that he can become a big time red zone target. He is a willing blocker and has the work ethic to become a great player. So why isn’t this guy a first round pick? In 2010, Childs suffered a torn patellar tendon in his right knee and required surgery. His recovery from that injury limited his play in 2011 and he only produced 21 receptions for 240 yards and zero touchdowns. But prior to the 2011 season, Childs produced 48 receptions, 897 yards, and 7 TDs in 2009. In 2010, he only played in 8 games and produced 46 receptions, 659 yards, and 6 TDs prior to the injury. Childs has worked hard to get back to form and his combine and pro day workouts should have shown teams that he is completely healthy. Childs is a first round caliber talent that should be available when the Dolphins are on the clock in the third round. They attended the Arkansas pro day and have shown interest in him. Miami fans should be very excited if and when the Dolphins draft Childs.

Marvin Jones, California 6’2" 199 lb. Jones is another favorite player of mine in this draft. He is an under-the-radar type prospect that would be a wonderful selection for the Dolphins. Jones is a 6’2" 199 lb. receiver with reliable hands. He ran a 4.46 at the combine and produced an impressive 22 reps on the bench press. Jones had a very good Senior Bowl where he showcased his skills. He is a solid route runner and can win at the line of scrimmage with his hands. He has good short area quickness which allows him to work both outside and in the slot. That would make him a great fit in the WCO. At Cal, he produced 156 receptions, 2261 yards, and 13 TDs over his career. He produced 62 receptions, 846 yards, and 3 TDs, even though he wasn’t the main target. That last statement is why Jones isn’t higher on most draft boards. He was the secondary target at Cal. Does that mean he cannot produce at the NFL level? Of course not. As mentioned earlier, Coach Philbin says he isn’t following the standard pattern. Jones offers versatility and production that fits into what the new head coach wants from his offense. Jones can be a 60-70 reception, 800-1000 yard, 6-8 TD player for the Dolphins and that is perfectly fine in our new offense.

Juron Criner, Arizona Criner is a big target at 6’3" 224 pounds. He has great hands and quick feet. He plays physical and is a willing blocker. Criner has one glaring issue that has affected his stock though: his 4.6 forty time. Anytime a receiver runs over a 4.6 in the 40, that causes his draft stock to plummet. However, 40 times can be overrated and when you look at what Criner does on the field, you will see a guy who produced 209 receptions, 2859 yards, and 32 TDs during his collegiate career. Criner is not a speed merchant and will never be the deep threat that fans like to see. But as his scouting report says, he is a good fit as the ‘Z’ receiver in a WCO. So while Criner may not have the best straight line speed, he looks like the type of receiver that will do just what he did in college: catch a ton of passes, pick up a ton of yards, and score a bunch of touchdowns. The best part is that his forty time should allow him to be around in the third or even fourth round of the draft.

Nick Toon, Wisconsin The son of former Jets receiver Al Toon, Nick is another big physical receiver at 6’2" 215 pounds. He doesn’t have elite speed, but did record a 4.43 at his pro day. He has good hands and is a decent route runner. Toon had a great senior year with 64 receptions, 926 yards, and 10 TDs. But his overall production at Wisconsin was limited to their run heavy offense. Toon has no off the field issues and seems like a hard worker. He would be a good value in the third or fourth round and would be a weapon in the WCO.

A.J. Jenkins, Illinois Jenkins is not your prototypical #1 WR at 6’0" 190 pounds. Then again, neither is Greg Jennings who is 5’11" 199 pounds. The typical WCO utilizes smaller, quicker receivers that work the underneath routes and that can create after the catch. Jenkins can fill that role very well. He has elite speed highlighted by his 4.39 forty at the combine. His size could limit him to a degree, but he can flourish in the right system. He has good hands and runs good routes. He was productive in college with career totals of 167 receptions, 2432 yards, and 19 TDs. He would be a great addition to the Dolphins because he has speed, which the team covets. He has the versatility to line up outside or in the slot, which makes him a good fit for the WCO. If the Dolphins decide to go for bigger target like Childs or Criner in the third, they might double down with a smaller, faster guy like Jenkins with the other third round pick.

T.Y. Hilton, Florida InternationalHilton is another smaller, speed receiver that would be a versatile weapon in the WCO. Hilton has elite speed and is one of the fastest receivers in this draft. He is a threat to score every time he touches the ball, which includes the return game as well. He runs good routes and has great hands. He has great production with 229 receptions, 3531 yards, and 24 TDs for his career. He contributed in the return game with 79 punt returns for 614 yards and 2 TDs. He had 105 kickoff returns for 2855 yards (27.2 yards per return average) and 4 TDs. Hilton played in a smaller conference and will have to adjust to the level of competition. His size could be an issue as he is only 5’10" and 183 pounds. However, he plays tough at that size and that will catch the eyes of the coaches. He should be available in the fourth or fifth round.

Tommy Streeter, Miami Fans of ‘The U’ will appreciate this pick for the Dolphins. Streeter has the physical tools to be a dominant #1 receiver at the NFL level. He stands at 6’5" 219 pounds and has great speed for a player of that size. He ran a 4.40 forty at the combine, which caused his stock to rise somewhat. He had a productive junior year, with 46 receptions, 811 yards, and 8 TDs. But he only had a grand total of 6 receptions in his previous two seasons combined. Streeter is very raw and will need development before he can contribute on a regular basis. He needs work on his route running and getting in and out of his breaks better. His size, speed, and potential will push his stock up the boards. His overall lack of production and need for development will limit the ceiling for his draft stock. Projections for Streeter are all over the board right now. Some have him as high as a third rounder and some as low as a sixth rounder. He is probably somewhere in the middle, possibly a late fourth or early fifth round pick. The Dolphins have shown serious interest in Streeter and he would make a good developmental target for the team.

Devon Wylie, Fresno State Wylie, or ‘Wiggles’ is a 5’9" 187 pound dynamo from Fresno State. He ran a 4.39 forty at the combine. He is projected as more of a slot receiver at the NFL level. Wylie has had moderate production in college. He has 98 receptions, 1327 yards, and 8 TDs over his career. He has had some injuries over his career which is a concern. He has decent hands and plays tougher than his size. Wylie would be a strong addition to the Dolphins team for a couple of reasons. One, he has return experience which is an area the Dolphins must improve. Secondly, the new offense will feature more underneath patterns and this is where Wylie could excel; think Wes Welker with more speed. His short area burst and ability to create after the catch means he could be a force in the new offense. He is projected as a fifth round pick at this point. Miami could go for a bigger receiver earlier in the draft, like Greg Childs and wait until the fifth or so to take a guy like Wiggles.

Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M The Dolphins are already poised to draft one Aggie and could be in the market for another one. The ties to Mike Sherman could influence this pick, and the Dolphins may want to pair their new QB-of-the future with a receiver he is comfortable with. Fuller is a big target at 6’4" 223. He doesn’t have great straight line speed as he ran a 4.6 at the combine. He has inconsistent hands and struggled with drops. Even with drop issues, he was very productive over the course of his career. He finished with 233 receptions, 3092 yards, and 34 TDs. The lack of deep speed and his inconsistency has caused his draft stock to plummet and he looks to be a fifth round pick at this point. The benefit to the Dolphins is that Fuller has already played under Mike Sherman and knows the system which shortens his learning curve. If Tannehill truly is the pick, he will already have some chemistry with Fuller. There is some upside here, and that should be intriguing to the team.

Chris Owusu, Stanford Owusu was the primary deep threat to Andrew Luck last season at Stanford. He has the average size for a WCO at 6’0" 198. He has great speed, showcased by his 4.36 forty time at the combine. He has been an inconsistent receiver over his career, with moderate success. He has 102 receptions, 1534 yards, and 10 TDs. While those numbers don’t look that spectacular, he has missed significant time over his career with various injuries. He also played in an offense that was more run oriented and spread the ball around to other targets. Regardless, the lack of production and injury history are major red flags and has caused his draft stock to fall to the sixth or seventh round. It’s possible that he could go undrafted. Why is he on the list? Because this is a low risk, high reward type player. You can get a receiver with great speed and versatility late in the draft. If he makes it, you found a gem late in the draft. If not, he was a late round pick; no harm, no foul.

And there you have it. I am sure there are a few receivers out there that could be added to this list. Brian Quick, who I left out intentionally, will have his own post later. Out of this group listed, Childs is my favorite receiver. I think he has the most potential to be a #1 receiver. I like Hilton and Jones as complementary receivers and would be ecstatic to see a Childs/Jones or Childs/Hilton combo in the Dolphins draft.


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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2012, 06:29:23 pm »
crickets............
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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2012, 09:48:17 pm »
I really don't think Tommy Streeter, the ex Cane is gonna amount to much but who knows. There are a few other receivers who aren't on that guys list that have me scratching my head

Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech Height: 6-4   Weight: 215  Class/Draft Year: Jr/2012

40 Time: 4.36      40 Low: 4.28   40 High: 4.48

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=90117&draftyear=2012&genpos=WR

In fact there are a whole bunch of good WR's not on that guys list. You can check some of em out at this pretty neat site:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/nflcombinedetail.php?draftyear=2012&GenPos=WR&sortorder=LastName&order=ASC
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Re: The 2012 Draft; What WILL we do?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2012, 12:58:39 pm »
Streeter thinks he's bigger than he really is. He gets hurt too easily making those daredevil catches. I give him credit, he is fearless
and willing to take a hit, but seems like he was always playing hurt.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2012, 06:59:35 pm »
Streeter is the guy who Mark Duper took under his wing last offseason and it really helped him out big time. I mean he improved leaps and bounds from the nobody he was the season before. Who knows maybe he is still working under the tutelage of Mr. Duper. Maybe he improves that much again. If so, look out NFL!
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2012, 07:15:44 pm »
IMO this draft is the single biggest draft in the history of the Miami Dolphins. They are at a crossroads. JI put all his eggs in one basket by not engaging in any FA activity. The few guys we did get are nothing more than back-ups ST's players or camp fodder. The WR position is now a joke and what does Ireland do to improve? He picks up this Naane whatsisname. Sad! I mean the guy has upside but he ain't gonna scare any defensive coordinators preparing for a game against us.

I didn't like Marshall as you know and think that trading him was addition by subtraction but his exit left a clear vacuum not filled and few rookies come right in and produce the 1st year. We will really struggle this season. I don't think we even win 5 games this season.

We fire Sparano and not Ireland? IMO we should have either kept both or fired both. The team actually played well under Sparano last half of last year and a lot of the problem for the slow start was Ross' fault for the Harbaugh incident which took away a lot of respect that the players had for Sparanos. What I mean is it made him look bad. It made him look like he was there only b/c we HAD to keep him on because not many people were gonna work for Ross at that point after the way he treated Spa. I still think Ross is an **** for hanging him out to spin in the wind. 
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